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Don't do it! Edit
What? Don't delete your articles! They're contributions to this wiki!
Still, keep your articles on whatever changes you have made.
18.104.22.168 01:09, August 6, 2013 (UTC)
What do you mean, tell you what to do???? If it's about not deleting the Empire: Total War articles, you shouldn't delete them. They're all we have!
Re: Are you done with this wiki? Edit
Hopefully not too late.. Edit
So, I think we are on the same side here.. I haven't been really active in the past year, but I feel your urge to fix this wiki.. .. lot's of things here are so incomplete/unstructured.. the easiest info to get on the games is a copy/pasted description from wikipedia with a bit more images.. I have received the admin rights to edit the navigation bar because before that we needed to relate on the main page, but I stopped editing when I noticed that they were no people to follow this change of structure.. I saw your message to the Admin 2 weeks ago, and I was really cheered by the idea of someone taking over this wiki. Hopefully things will change in the near future.. Benit22 (talk) 23:43, November 9, 2014 (UTC)
- Thanks, regarding your request around october 20th to become an admin, I've already taken the liberty to notify wikia staff about the situation, if any of us make edits for a consecutive 1 week, I am pretty sure they would let us get the admin/buraucrat privileges. Here's the link to the thread. I've taken the liberty to mention your name since I knew your desire to become admin, I may not be the better candidate for this since I haven't contributed a lot on this wiki, but you seem to meet the prerequite for a promotions. ;) Anyways, I really hope this will work out. Benit22 (talk) 05:11, November 10, 2014 (UTC)
- Hmm, you are probably right about unproductive work. I don't think I have enough time or energy to invest into tiresome squables neither. Anyways, I am not even sure if Byzantine Latinkon would notice if another admin would end up nominated, he has only made 5 eddits this year and 2-3 of them were on your talk page telling you he's not going away.. .. but, honestly, he really is gone. However, I understand your wish to not have him around deleting content and imposing idiotic restrictions, if the situation take a good turn I'll make you know! Thank you for the invitation, but I was more willing to work on Rome II content (I'm a bit feed up of playing Empire :P). Have a nice day!
- Benit22 (talk) 05:57, November 10, 2014 (UTC)
Naming policy Edit
OK, it's like this: A lot of the Rome: Total War faction pages were created with pages unique to individual factions, as opposed to general articles. This was keeping in line with the way the best articles were organised when I first arrived here. Nobody objected. However, then we had the Shogun: Total War issue where somebody pointed out that the only thing different about the units shared by various factions was the colour scheme. The community petitioned me to accept general articles for Shogun.
When I started the Empire: Total War articles, I tried to stick with the Rome: Total War layout for consistency's sake. When I was universally criticised for this as well, I more or less abandoned the policy and allowed the editors to create general articles again (this was after your first departure).
So there isn't a policy on this any more. Some unit pages still have the faction names, some don't. I've been unsure on the course of action to take, so I left them the way they were. --Byzantine Latinkon (talk) 05:18, September 12, 2015 (UTC)
I do edit. Could edit here.
But if there isn't going to be a major overhaul of the way the pages, categories, and templates here are handled I don't think I want to invest my time in it. Why bother if nothing's going to change?
I'd like to rearrange the categories into a unitary tree format, and the wiki is lacking a ton of templates that I had originally intended to add years ago. Юра 16:50, September 12, 2015 (UTC)
- Let me rephrase. Is your plan to just continue where BL left off? i.e., enforce the same policies and rules that he did. Because that would defeat the purpose of any kind of "change of administration" in my opinion. Юра 02:26, September 13, 2015 (UTC)
- Actually, nevermind. Юра 02:34, September 13, 2015 (UTC)
Basically, the way I do categories on the wikis I admin at is a unitary tree or binary tree (one for content and the other for administrative stuff, in the case of a binary tree system). You start with the series (i.e. Total War in this case) as a root category. This is applied a category for games (so Total War > Total War: Rome II for instance), then subcategories of the games (Total War > Total War: Rome II > Units of Total War: Rome II). All of these categories wouldn't go on pages but would rather be used simply for organizing content into a clean tree. After them, you get the relevant subcategories The top-level/leaf categories would be something like Ranged Infantry of Total War: Rome II.
To illustrate my example:
- Total War
- Games of Total War
- Total War: Rome II
- Infantry Units of Total War: Rome II
- Ranged Infantry Units of Total War: Rome II
- Ranged Units of Total War: Rome II
- Ranged Infantry Units of Total War: Rome II
- Ranged Cavalry Units of total War: Rome II
- Infantry Units of Total War: Rome II
- Total War: Rome II
- Games of Total War
There is some crossover, but it is minimal; the system keeps the categories streamlined and organized.
For a functional example of this sort of thing already in place, see this (ignoring the idiot who still put it on a page) and explore the category tree a bit. This should give you an idea of what I mean -- if you start at the root, you can follow the tree up a cleanly-organized path to get to the content you want. There can also be multiple paths leading to the same content, as well, but it is logically organized such that it doesn't appear erratic in its application.
How would you approach it?
Also, forgive me if I misspeak or make a mistake, it's very late and I'm tired. Юра 08:05, September 13, 2015 (UTC)
As an aside, I have a program I can run that will make these changes (relatively) easily, it's just a matter of having down a finalized format to work from. And we will have to delete whatever categories end up becoming empty as a result of an overhaul like this. Юра 08:11, September 13, 2015 (UTC)
Unit subpages Edit
Faction-unique subpages for individual units pertaining to the Knights of St. John have been deleted, with one exception (Dragoons) - there are two Dragoon articles, one for KSJ and one for the British. Come to think of it, there are a number of other unit articles with "Great Britain" in the title as well. I can't remember when they appeared or what the logic was for creating them, should I delete or redirect these too? --Byzantine Latinkon (talk) 07:14, September 15, 2015 (UTC)
R2's units are generally (but not always) grouped by culture. I would prefer consistency (every TW game except ETW and NTW has similarly diverse rosters), but we could group them as European units, Indian units, etc along those lines. Юра 17:45, September 18, 2015 (UTC)
Specifically I was thinking Western European, Eastern European, Middle Eastern, Indian, American (which if I remember correctly is identical to Western European, actually), and Native American units. Юра 08:56, September 19, 2015 (UTC)
Well having them in one category doesn't preclude them from being in others, and if it is used by one nation then it by default falls under the umbrella category. There is overlap in the other games, as well; the only other real alternative is to have nation-specific categories which would run up into the dozens for single units. Юра 19:41, September 21, 2015 (UTC)
Sure, but that would mean that the user would have to sift through the broader unit categories to find what they're looking for. I'm also not talking about geographic terms as much as cultural groupings. The (few) unique one-off units wold be fine imo. It would still be very readable. Юра 04:32, September 22, 2015 (UTC)
Alright, I'll start on it later tonight. Юра 19:31, September 22, 2015 (UTC)
No. It's a tree. Units is the parent category of categorical unit types without appearing on pages as a standalone category. It's basically exactly the same setup as what I did with R2TW's unit categories. Юра 01:48, September 23, 2015 (UTC)
They're analogous to provinces in other games. I think they could stay, but should be reworked into a more descriptive format outlining the basics of the region's geography, size, starting factions/emergent factions related to it, et cetera, rather than being like a hub type page. Юра 01:36, October 4, 2015 (UTC)
Which category? You didn't link it.
I think the Islamic nations all have similar rosters. I don't know about Mysore, but I know that Persia, Mughals, and some others all have similar unit layouts. Юра 21:45, October 4, 2015 (UTC)
- I'm not really saying grouping them by religion, but factions of the same (or closely related) cultures tend to have the same units as others in their cultural group. Ottomans are also fairly divorced from the rest of the Islamic world as I recall (although I'll admit it's been a few years since I played ETW), so they'd probably need their own category. Юра 01:05, October 5, 2015 (UTC)
It's really not though.
Egypt/Mamluks also share the Ottoman unit roster as I recall. It's (again) just an umbrella term for cultural similarity. I call it Ottoman because that was the ruling culture. We could call it something else if you want. But I don't think it's nearly as nebulous as you're saying it is. Юра 07:24, October 5, 2015 (UTC)
Quick heads upEdit
This week is going to be filled with school-related stuff for me, so I'm probably not going to be very present until Thursday evening or Friday.
I found a few nice wallpapers we can splice together for a decent-looking background. I'll probably post a rough draft some time tomorrow, if I can find time between homework and studying. Юра 07:40, October 6, 2015 (UTC)
I doubt we should, this place isn't all that active, but I'm pretty good at taking care of vandals so even if something happened we should be good.
Anyway, good luck with bootcamp. Were you drafted? I didn't realize that was something the US still did at this point in the Iraq/Afghanistan wars. Юра 07:48, October 6, 2015 (UTC)
- I'm a little confused, could you give an example? -- Fidei Defensor (talk • contribs) 10:47, October 6, 2015 (UTC)
- All right, whenever you have the time, take a look at this. -- Fidei Defensor (talk • contribs) 11:16, October 6, 2015 (UTC)
No problem, just leave a comment for bot recognition, and any suggestions you might have, before you head out. That thread will be evidence. -- Fidei Defensor (talk • contribs)Opps nvrmind.
Nothing much has happened, just pushing ahead with the category revamp when I'm not busy with schoolwork. Юра 16:33, October 22, 2015 (UTC)
Can I ask for your help, Brainwasher? I will need to do it via email. Can you reply to my message wall on Empire: Total War wikia and go on from there?
Empire: Total War Buildings Edit
Did you ever transport the building pages from Empire: Total War Wikia to Total War Wikia? Or do you want me to finish them before you do that?
Total War: Arena updatesEdit
Sorry for starting with stubs. I want to get the framework up for all units starting with Roman Empire melee swords then spears then ranged and so on... I was intending to use the categories "Total War: Arena Roman Empire units," and one for light, medium and heavy variants of infantry/Calvary. There is no framework of pages or categories for me to build upon so please let me know how you want me to impli!ent this. I intend to have a working unit stats table template available tomorrow
- I did notice the excess of tags and differences in capitalization. I did not make any cavalry pages, so there shouldn't be any misspelled categories since I only wrote it here in this message the one time. To be honest, I picked the Hoplites' page from the Rome II section to use as my standardization model since no unit pages for Arena exist yet. I tried to emmulate the capitalization and unit separation I saw there. I didn't know categories were not-removable, that's pretty shitty and seems like an open door for trolling; I hope they fix that. I'll leave categorization for you to take care of, though I'm not sure if you play this Total War game yet. If you'd like, I'll upload a screenshot of each faction's tech-tree with the legend explaining unit type and armor level for each army. Till then, expect some new Infoboxes this afternoon. Let me know if I need to add, change, or remove anything once I get Militia Swords and Italian Swordsmen filled in.
- Thanks for looking over my stuff and bringing it into line. You've got the eyes of a hawk, sir. If I was to properly fill in the body of these unit pages to qualify as non-stub, do you have a reference unit from any other TW game I should aim to most closely emulate?
- RoboYote (talk) 04:59, November 23, 2015 (UTC)